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Both scientists by training, Mikaela and Ruth also have experience in fields as diverse as national park management, hospitality and education – in fact they are both on their fourth career already. They are unashamedly idealistic, and in all work they do they are trying their best to make the world a better place for humanity. The best part of their job is the amazing people they get to work with every day – from service designers to complexity scientists to educators to actors to indigenous elders.